Friday, March 03 2006

I like Reddit.

On average the signal to noise ratio is great, and a scan through the hot list is usually a very worthwhile venture. The wide range of topics makes it more entertaining and informative than many tech-only sites, but it still has enough tech-related info to feel pertinent to the software development profession.

I've also received a substantial number of hits from Reddit over the past couple of months, with no less than 5 entries hitting the front page for periods of time, with each of them yielded 6000+ inbound visitors. Though these are of no profit to me, it is satisfying that many of these visitors left great comments and sent interesting emails, and found the entries informative or educational. After each onslaught the number of RSS subscribers jumps by a hefty amount.

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Early on I admittingly submitted a couple of my longer, more thought-out posts to Reddit, thinking it would help exposure a bit, but became a bit discouraged by the whole exercise after seeing them instantly start descending into the negative range. Pure speculation, but my guess is that some rather unsportsmanlike submitters are automatically "voting down" everything in proximity of their addition, hoping to make their own submission stand out in relation (it's the only rational explanation for the almost instant vote downs). I would also guess that many users skip over low-ranked new items, so it basically becomes a race to get the first couple of up votes before it's voted into oblivion, and then a continued series of up votes to offset the continual downvotes.

This came to mind as I was just "testing out" the quicklinks that I just added on posts. I discovered a case of a single entry that had been submitted to Reddit three different times from different areas of the blog (which is a "benefit" of users who subscribe to and read the different areas). I've put these in order, determined by the obvious sequential ID that Reddit adds. I'm not sure of the specific times of each of them.

http://reddit.com/info?id=14ev - This was added from the home page version. It earned a forgettable score of 1.

http://reddit.com/info?id=14lu - This was apparently added referencing the static version located here. It earned a healthy -4 score. Perhaps because it was a duplicate of the prior one.

http://reddit.com/info?id=14sm - This was added from the Software Development version. It earned a very respectable score of 204, and I knew about this one because of a substantial impact on the visits over a two day period.

The exact same content, in different forms, yielded a 1, a -4, and a front-page for two days 204. Whether it was because of titles, time of day, or simply luck of the draw (that the last one got momentum before the haters started downvoting), it is a fascinating demonstration that these sorts of web democracies aren't always a meritocrasy.

Just thought that was a little fascinating.

 

 

   

Reader Comments

I've submitted a few links from my own blog too. One did well, some not. But you're right, there should be a way to block people from voting on posts submitted within a range of time if they just submitted something. Though you can bet some people have a bunch of accounts.

They should do IP datamining to figure out which renegades aren't playing by the rules.
Bloggger @ 3/3/2006 8:04:31 PM
I've noticed the fickleness too. I wonder if it has anything to do with time of day? My guess is most Reddit users are either in the US or UK, with major time zone differences. British and American readers have different tastes, especially wrt to political outlook.
If I log on in the morning in the UK, I sometimes find Reddit heavy with US content.
I've put stuff on from my blog, and some has done quite well while other things have rapidly disappearred.
Or I have posted two articles by a columnist, or equal quality - one had 68 points in a few hours, while the other had -2.
Walton Pantland @ 3/4/2006 1:51:01 AM
But note that ther first 2 low scored entries had a different title: 'Effectively Integrating ...' while the high scoring submission had 'How Not To Be The Hated ...'.

At least I, when I read reddit.com scan over the titles and then read what sounds interesting. Perhaps it is the title of the submission which makes all the difference.

Lutz
Lutz Mueller @ 3/4/2006 7:15:17 AM
I have seen some similar examples. On reddit, exactly the same title (only difference a ":" instead of "-") made -4 points in 3 days, but the other version 46 points in 22 hours.

Similarly in digg an article, made 3 respectively 725 diggs. They had the same title, but different descriptions.

You can see the screenshots from examples at http://n.ethz.ch/student/miklosb/shot/index.html

balint
Balint @ 3/4/2006 8:52:06 AM
I submitted a feature request to sort things differently on weekends vs weekdays b/c I think it's much harder to get things score high on the weekends. This is just a conjecture.

Sadly, my suggestion has a score of 0 at the moment :) I understand that it isn't enough, but something should be done:
http://features.reddit.com/info?id=2p4f
Chris Cera @ 3/4/2006 9:01:53 AM
The title (and to some extent the site name and poster-nick) is the life or death of a Reddit post.

The last one ("How Not To Be...") I read, liked and up'ed myself. The two others I didn't notice, and belive I still would have ignored. Those titles sound like the forth chapter of a boring book about HR.
Havard @ 3/4/2006 12:51:57 PM
Great insite. I had noticed the effect of some articles to get blasted out of the gate and didn't put the pieces together to figure out why.

The biggest issue the SB sites have is figuring out how to deal with fraud. Once they do that they will all be a lot more valueable.
rmccarley @ 3/5/2006 9:26:42 AM
Choice of title matters a lot. Also I find article are prone to get modded up if they are submitted around 10 Central on a weekday. I assume that is because there are a lot of slackers surfing at work, who hit reddit more when they get in before they get bust with other stuff. If you get a few initial bumps quickly then that will get you in the rising section. If you get in the rsigin section you have a good chance of getting bumped towards the front page. If you make it on the front page, the score will sail.
Mr. Silly @ 4/7/2006 7:33:15 PM

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